E05: From Professional Cheese Tester to Veganish Mama
Have you felt guilty about your diet during pregnancy? What do you do when natural remedies aren’t enough for pregnancy nausea?
After working in the dairy industry, Heather went vegan with her husband, quit her job, and became a vegan lifestyle blogger. Now expecting baby #3, Heather compares her vegan & non-vegan pregnancies and shares how she navigated family gatherings and healing from pregnancy loss at 20-weeks.
Don’t miss Heather’s nausea remedies & self-care tips for every mom who’s pregnant while chasing a toddler! Heather is a former professional cheese tester and is now a vegan mama to two boys with one more on the way! She's on her second vegan pregnancy and loves to share her vegan journey and how she's feeding her growing vegan family.
Connect with Heather:
Website: veganishmama.com
Instagram: @veganishmama
Connect with Maya:
Website: The Vegan Pregnancy Collective
Instagram: @vegan.prenatal.nutrition
Transcribed
Maya Bach:
Welcome to today's episode. Today, we're going to be chatting with vegan-ish mama, Heather Larson. Heather is the founder of veganishmama.com. And incredible recipes, as far as I can tell. I am, personally, not very good at recipes, so I'm excited to have her share a little bit more with you about that and her journey into veganism, for the listeners who are planning for a vegan pregnancy or currently pregnant and want to maintain a vegan pregnancy. This episode is for you.
Maya Bach:
So Heather, welcome. I'm so excited to have you.
Heather Larson:
Thank you so much for having me.
Maya Bach:
Do you want to share a little bit about yourself and what prompted you to go vegan?
Heather Larson:
Sure. I started my vegan mommy blog when I was on MAT leave with my, now, four year old. And we went vegan when he was probably three and a half, or four, months old. I wasn't vegan that pregnancy and I'm pregnant now, this is my second vegan pregnancy. It was a lot of things, really. For me, pumping breast milk was a big thing, because I pumped milk exclusively for him. Breastfeeding didn't work out for us, but it was important to me. Pumping breast milk was torturous for me and I did it for a year, thinking to myself the whole time, "I can't imagine pumping milk for one, someone that's not my child. And two, another species and being forced into it." It really is not pleasant. So that was a big thing for me, just recognizing that cows are mothers and they make milk because they're mothers, not because their cows.
Heather Larson:
And this is coming from someone who used to taste cheese for a living. I worked in the dairy industry. I was on MAT leave from my job at one of the biggest dairy companies in the world.
Maya Bach:
I did not know that. Okay.
Heather Larson:
I ran the Canadian Test Kitchen for one of the biggest dairy companies in North America, probably the world. And I quit my job after going vegan on MAT leave. So I had to call HR and be like, "I don't eat cheese anymore." And my job was to taste the cheese, so I couldn't do my job anymore. So I had to call them and be like, "I can't work here."
Heather Larson:
My husband actually went vegan with me, and it was kind of his idea at first. He went plant-based as a health thing. On a health kick for a few weeks, he noticed such significant changes in his energy and his body. He had gone to get some blood work done and he noticed a significant drop in his cholesterol. He was like, "I can't go back to the way that I was eating before when I see such a big change." He's Italian, so that was a big change for him. I had not eaten red meat for years, so there was a little bit less for me to cut out. But again, the dairy thing was kind of a huge thing for me. We're two very unlikely vegans who happened to go vegan together. And now our whole family, we're raising the kids vegan.
Maya Bach:
Really quickly, I used to work in HR before I went back to school to become a dietician. So I'm super curious, what did the HR person say?
Heather Larson:
They were like, "We've never heard that as an excuse to not come back to work." They were like, "Are you making this up?" Like we can't force you to come back, you don't have to make something up. It was very funny. I had to call my boss as well, who was from Montreal and his first language was French. So trying to explain to him in English that I didn't eat cheese anymore, it took a few minutes for him to understand too.
Maya Bach:
What is this?
Heather Larson:
Yeah, he didn't quite comprehend.
Maya Bach:
That's so interesting, pumping milk, that that was an entry point too.
Heather Larson:
Yeah, it was just something that I had never thought about before. Even being in the industry and being in dairy plants and knowing where it came from, but not putting two and two together for so long. Like I said, I hadn't eaten red meat for probably, I don't know, eight or 10 years, at that point. And just kind of putting together the dairy and the veal industry, that dairy perpetuates the veal industry, so I'm not really helping by giving up red meat if I'm still consuming all this dairy. Not that it doesn't make a difference, I'm certainly not one of those people who's like, "It's all or nothing", whatever. But I realized the hypocrisy of my dietary choices.
Maya Bach:
I mean, you don't know until you go down this path of, we can call it research or discovery and having your eyes opened like, okay, dairy is not...
Heather Larson:
And I feel like you have to be in a place to be open to it as well. I think when I was at work, if anyone had approached me and said something about it, I would have not been as receptive because that was my job, that was my livelihood. I definitely would have been more defensive about it, probably. And they're like, "Oh, it's Canada. It's different than other places," or something like that. But being outside of that and being outside of that world, just made me a little more receptive to everything. After we made that decision, we watched all the documentaries and all of that too, which definitely is a motivating factor.
Maya Bach:
Right?
Heather Larson:
Yeah.
Maya Bach:
Did your husband, so you did it together?
Heather Larson:
Yeah.
Maya Bach:
Was there any point where you're like, "Oh well." Were there any struggles with that transition? I mean, it sounds like it's helpful to do together. I know some of listeners, their partners are non-vegan. It can be challenging.
Heather Larson:
I have people message me all the time. They're like, "How did you get your husband to go vegan?" It was his own choice. It wasn't...
Maya Bach:
I was probably one of those people that...
Heather Larson:
[inaudible 00:06:10] Drastic, because I think that is a big thing. And it certainly would be more difficult if there were other foods in the house. We just don't have anything else in the house because we're just a vegan household. We just don't have meat or dairy or anything.
Heather Larson:
I will say that he typically, obviously not this year, will go for one guy's dinner with all of his high school friends at Christmas, and he will go out for steak once a year. And that's it, and then we're vegan the rest of the time. That's his ish. I know my name is veganish mama.
Heather Larson:
The struggles a little bit at first was with family and family gatherings. Like I said, he's Italian, so obviously we have, and I have a big family also. He would have big family dinners and all the Nonnas would cook. They'd be like, "Oh, just eat the chicken this one time," or, "Just eat the veal this one time." After they realized that we just weren't going to and we kept saying that we won't, that we were going to raise our son vegan and he was going to be vegan also, they kind of changed and always made us a vegan option because they wanted to feed our son. It was like they wanted to feed their great grandchild. So they wanted to cook for him. It was so important for them that they would always make a vegan pasta and vegan pizza and things like that, whenever we go over.
Maya Bach:
That's incredible.
Heather Larson:
Yeah, it's really, really awesome of them. Everyone's been really great. And my mother-in-law, as well, always makes... We went over there for an outdoor gathering for Father's Day and she made vegan caesar salad and she made vegan pizza and had beyond sausage and all that stuff. So everyone's been really, really awesome. And my side of the family, as well. Three of my aunts are now plant-based, or mostly plant-based. So our family gathering they're a little bit easier, there's more options when I'm not the only one who has a plant-based option.
Maya Bach:
That's expanded beyond. Do you feel like that has been different, as far as conversations with family or family gatherings, now that you are pregnant? This is your second vegan pregnancy. Was that a mindset shift for them too? Like vegan for you is one thing, but vegan for pregnancy is another.
Heather Larson:
No one ever really said anything. When we first went vegan, if I was ever not feeling well or something, my mom would be like, "Oh, you should eat a steak." I was actually B12 deficient before I went vegan, significantly B12 deficient. I had to go for an injection every week, to the point where I just wasn't paying attention to it. Because I was eating chicken and fish and I was eating dairy. It was never something that was on my radar, and it got to a point where I couldn't walk in a straight line. I was like walking two walls at work.
Maya Bach:
Oh my goodness.
Heather Larson:
The whole B12, low iron thing, because of being vegan, was not really an argument because I was B12 deficient way before, and I have not been B12 deficient since. And I have not needed injections or anything since.
Maya Bach:
That's awesome.
Heather Larson:
So that was not a starting point.
Heather Larson:
No one really said anything. A little bit, maybe, had to do with, we lost our first son at 20 weeks when I was not vegan in pregnancy. I think anyone arguing, you aren't going to have a healthy pregnancy because you're vegan. I'm like, "Okay, well this happened and I wasn't vegan." So no one ever brought that up to me. And that might be part of the reason why, is we saw what can happen no matter what, it doesn't really matters.
Maya Bach:
I appreciate you sharing that. I know...
Heather Larson:
Oh, that's okay.
Maya Bach:
Some of the listeners have also experienced loss.
Heather Larson:
Just a common thing. And I mean, I was totally unprepared for it because no one really talks about it, especially the late term loss. Everyone kind of assumes after 12 weeks you're safe, which wasn't the case for us, and is not the case for everyone. So it's something I talk openly about now, just because it's a little bit cathartic for me. And you don't want to do a disservice to, there were so many people who came before me who provided me comfort in sharing their stories of loss and how they moved forward. I just feel like I'd be doing a disservice to women who might be in the same boat later, as much as you would never wish that on anyone, in not talking about it or not being open about it.
Maya Bach:
I know this is kind of, it might be a little bit off topic, but I feel like it's a good place to dig deeper. If you're open to it, what helped you during that time?
Heather Larson:
I just really decided to take care of myself and I did not care what anyone else thought. I took a significant amount of time off work, I let myself grieve, and I let myself experience the loss for what it was. We were at 20 weeks. I went through labor and I delivered him and I held him. And for me, it was like the loss of a child. It wasn't, not to say that having a miscarriage early on is any easier, I don't. I think that it's difficult no matter what. But I took like six months off work and took leave of absence. I went on vacation with my husband, and we just sat on the beach and we were just let ourselves be sad and let ourselves just be together.
Heather Larson:
And when it first happened, when I came home from the hospital, I didn't even go home because I didn't want to go home to our condo at the time and see the empty bedroom that we were getting ready and things like that. So I just went to my mom's house for, I don't know how long, like a couple of weeks and just hold out there and just said I didn't want to see anyone. I slept in my childhood bedroom and watched crappy TV and let myself be sad and just let myself take care of me. And I took time off, and then I ended up doing my holistic nutrition designation online, just for something to do for me and to learn. It's not something that I really use or have clients or anything to learn more about nutrition. It was something to do for myself to take care of myself. So I read textbooks and I watched bad TV, and I went for walks and I went to the beach.
Maya Bach:
That's sounds amazing.
Heather Larson:
I just took care of me. Yeah, exactly. It was just exactly what I needed and I'm so glad that I let myself do that. I dealt with it in a very different way than my husband did. He just went back to work after two weeks, and that was his way of coping was just being busy. And it was something that I didn't understand at the time because I was like, I don't want to do anything. I just wanted to be home and I don't want to see people, I don't want to talk to anyone. And his way of coping was just diving right back into work and just staying busy and keeping himself busy that way.
Maya Bach:
Comfort.
Heather Larson:
Thank you.
Maya Bach:
One of the questions that I like to ask is, what does a healthy vegan pregnancy mean to you? Because the word healthy, I have mixed feelings about it, personally.
Heather Larson:
Yeah, for sure.
Maya Bach:
It does capture the essence of what I try to help women feel and achieve. I'm curious to hear your thoughts about that.
Heather Larson:
I didn't really see a difference between a healthy vegan pregnancy and a healthy, any other pregnancy. It was just a healthy pregnancy in general. I didn't see my diet as a big factor in that, because I eat a healthy, balanced diet, and I just try and feed myself well. And the one difference is that I'm taking a prenatal vitamin and finding a good vegan one was difficult. I realized the one I was taking before was vegetarian and not vegan, so I found a vegan one.
Heather Larson:
But sometimes a healthy pregnancy is just being able to keep your vitamin down the first trimester, like eating bagels on the couch and trying not to vomit. Sometimes that is what a healthy pregnancy is at first, is just eating what you can, eating what feels okay to you, because sometimes it doesn't feel good. But just taking care of yourself the best you can, and they don't think that's necessarily a vegan thing versus a non-vegan thing. I think it's just a pregnancy thing in general.
Maya Bach:
I love that you shared that because sometimes I hear from my clients and from women who are like, "All I'm eating are bagels with dairy-free spread and I'm worried about not nourishing my body and baby, and have daily nausea." Typically they're experiencing their first pregnancy.
Heather Larson:
Right.
Maya Bach:
And they feel really worried. They are taking a prenatal. And I just, is there something you would say to reassure these women it's going to be okay, even if you're having bagels for five days in a row.
Heather Larson:
For sure. I think it was something someone said to me or something that I read that was like, sometimes a balanced diet in the first trimester is just keeping your prenatal vitamin down. It's just doing your best to take your vitamins and getting the nutrition that you can, and just trying not to be nauseous. You've just got to do your best with that, and sometimes it's eating frozen watermelon cubes for dinner every night. You just do your best.
Heather Larson:
And I would just try not to stress about eating three meals a day that are balanced and have the right amount of fat or protein or whatever. Worry about that when you're feeling a little bit better, and you're able to worry about that. Probably worse if you're stressing about being nauseous or you're stressing about not keeping the food down and stuff like that.
Maya Bach:
Totally.
Heather Larson:
At least for me, anyway. I was nauseous every pregnancy. So I felt way worse when I was beating myself up about feeling nauseous, versus just letting myself sit on the couch and eat bread.
Maya Bach:
Leading into that, yeah.
Heather Larson:
Yeah. So fourth time around, that's just what I did. I've just been eating a lot of toast with tomatoes and finally starting to feel better. Even at one point, just boiling pasta made me want to throw up.
Maya Bach:
No way, like the smell being in the kitchen?
Heather Larson:
Yeah, just any cooking smells at all, like tomato sauce, no thank you. Garlic was brutal for awhile, which is horrible. It's in everything.
Maya Bach:
I was going to say, that's hard to navigate, especially Italian family members.
Heather Larson:
Yeah, for sure. That's the one benefit of being home in a pandemic, is that I just got to be home and just got to eat what I wanted to eat and didn't have to take my kids anywhere or do anything.
Maya Bach:
With the nausea, one of my clients shared that she has been eating frozen grapes a lot, and that seems to be helping her.
Heather Larson:
Yeah.
Maya Bach:
Did you find anything that was a nausea prevention, something that you ate or did like, "Ooh, this helps decrease nausea so I can feel better."
Heather Larson:
So usually eating crackers in bed before you even got up in the morning. Before I even sat up, I had a thing of Premium Plus soda crackers on my bedside table and I would munch on them before I even stood up in the morning. Gatorade, coconut water, and things that were sour, like sucking on a sour candy really helped me. They sell mom lollipops that are like sour lollipops, but I just went for the jolly ranchers because they're way cheaper.
Heather Larson:
Sucking on a sour candy really helped me. That's something that I discovered when I was working in the test kitchen, because at one point I was pregnant, and had to make like 30 pizzas a day, so I was not feeling well. So I would suck on sour candies a lot to try and help with the nausea.
Heather Larson:
This pregnancy, I was on Diclectin, as well, for a little bit because I was throwing up while I trying to give my kids a bath. And I was like, "This is just dangerous." I can't. It just got to a point where it was not something I could deal with anymore. So it was something that I had to do and try not to feel guilty about, I guess. But, whatever. I had two kids in the bathtub and I'm throwing up at the same time and I need something to help me a little bit better.
Maya Bach:
I'm really glad that you are talking about this because I think there is some guilt like, "Oh, I should do this."
Heather Larson:
I shouldn't take medication, and things like that. For sure. I definitely feel that. Especially being, I wouldn't call myself in the wellness space, but I follow a lot of people in the wellness space. I sort of see a lot of it, so there is a lot of guilt around that. Someone else who I follow posted a blog post, "Why I'll never take Diclectin." And I was just like, [crosstalk 00:18:41].
Heather Larson:
But yeah, no, just taking care of myself and those options are there and if it's something that needed to be done for safety of taking care of my other two children while being nauseous, it was something I had to do. At that point, my husband was working out of the house, so I didn't have help at bath time or bedtime or anytime. I was by myself with them morning till night, and it was mid-pandemic so I didn't have help with them at all. Not that you even need to justify it. If it's something that you need for you and you can't handle it, not you can't handle the nausea. That's a terrible thing to say. I never would want anyone to feel bad that they couldn't handle it. But if it's something that's causing you stress or making you feel that bad, there are options there.
Maya Bach:
There are options. If it's negatively impacting your ability to perform... So actually throwing up is one piece of it, but if you're actively throwing up and it's impacting your ability to, I don't know if parenting is the right word, but give your kids a bath or day-to-day.
Heather Larson:
For sure.
Maya Bach:
Right?
Heather Larson:
Absolutely. Or do your job, or things that you need to be doing.
Maya Bach:
Exactly.
Heather Larson:
Unfortunately, life doesn't stop because you're pregnant and there's no pregnancy leave like a MAT leave, where you get to stay home when you feel crappy by yourself, which would be lovely. So you just have to do what you have to do, and sometimes the ginger tablets are not enough and they're not going to cut it. So I'm never going to be the person to judge someone for doing what they need to do.
Maya Bach:
I really appreciate you sharing that perspective, especially in this space of wellness, it can be, "Oh, I need to do everything natural." And you can aspire and strive to do that path but if it doesn't work for you, then it doesn't work. No judgment.
Heather Larson:
For sure. Everyone's just doing their best.
Maya Bach:
Exactly, exactly. What would you say, if there's anything that you notice, like a difference between this vegan pregnancy and the last vegan pregnancy? Did you change anything? I know you mentioned switching prenatals from vegetarian to vegan. Was there anything like that that came up?
Heather Larson:
Between vegan pregnancies or from non-vegan to vegan?
Maya Bach:
For all three.
Heather Larson:
I don't think a heck of a lot. My pregnancies have all been pretty similar, with the exception of my two non-vegan pregnancies. I had thyroid problems that went away when I was not pregnant. They just happened in pregnancy, and I was on Synthroid thyroid medication while I was pregnant. And after I gave birth, it went away and everything went back to normal. I haven't had that in my vegan pregnancies, but who's to say that that's because I'm vegan or not. You could never, I don't think, decipher that that's because of diet, but that's been the only real thing.
Heather Larson:
And then, I mean, just as my pregnancies have gone on, I felt a little bit more like I'm falling apart more each one. I went into my OB's office, my last pregnancy, which was my first week. And when I had my, then, two year old with me, and I was, "I just feel like my body hates me a little bit more this pregnancy, like it's beating me up a little bit more. I just feel a little bit worse than last time. And I'm a little bit more tired," and whatever. And he just points at my toddler and he's like, "That's why. You're chasing a toddler all day." That's why you feel worse. So I think it had less to do with diet or anything, and more to do in my lifestyle. Just chasing tiny humans, which is the same now. I think I probably am more tired, but also sometimes I forget I'm pregnant more because I'm so busy chasing them around.
Maya Bach:
Like, oh wait a minute now.
Heather Larson:
Like maybe I should sit down, my back kind of hurts. Why does my back hurt? Oh yeah.
Maya Bach:
It's the pregnancy. Yeah.
Heather Larson:
Yeah.
Maya Bach:
Talking about your OB, for some of the listeners, their provider might not be supportive or be in alignment with their decision to eat vegan during pregnancy. Did that ever come up with your OB? Was that ever something you chatted about or worried about?
Heather Larson:
It was never something that concerned him. I think that was largely because my blood work has always been [inaudible 00:22:56]. There's never been an issue with any of my blood work, so there was no reason to be concerned about my diet. He's like, "Your iron levels are better than mine. Your B12 levels are better than mine. Why would I be concerned that you're vegan?" So yeah, he never had any issue or brought anything up or anything like that.
Maya Bach:
I'm really happy to hear that.
Heather Larson:
And I mean, I feel for someone if they were with someone who wasn't supportive or told them it wasn't safe. I'd say maybe find a new practitioner. I mean, it's 2021. I don't know.
Maya Bach:
I hear you. One of the eye-opening experiences, my sister, when she experienced her first pregnancy, I was looking at these nutrition recommendations and it was all, they all revolve around animal products. I just couldn't, I was like, there has to be different way.
Heather Larson:
Yeah.
Maya Bach:
For supporting these women and doctors are not necessarily trained in nutrition education.
Heather Larson:
I agree. I feel like I also have been handed a pamphlet of what not to eat. Unless you seek out on your own what a healthy diet and pregnancy is, you're not necessarily going to find it. Like it's don't eat deli meat, don't eat raw fish, don't eat unpasteurized cheese or juice or anything like that. But no real, this is what a balanced diet looks like. And not even, oh, half of your plate should be vegetables.
Maya Bach:
That's a really good point. What to avoid, but not necessarily... For women who might be feeling anxious about their vegan pregnancy, what would be your number one piece of advice?
Heather Larson:
I mean, from my experience alone, there are so many people who have had a vegan, healthy pregnancy. And there are so many people who had a non-vegan, healthy pregnancy. But I think just find your support system, especially if it's something that's important to you. Find your support system, seek out people who are aligned with someone like you, like a dietician who is supportive of a vegan diet and a vegan pregnancy, and can help you with the questions that you might be anxious about. If there's something in particular that's making you anxious, seek out a professional that would have the answer. Just find your people in your support network. Don't read Google too much because, guilty of that.
Maya Bach:
Oh my gosh, Google-induced anxiety.
Heather Larson:
Yeah, exactly. Even some of the mommy group blogs and stuff, they're going to be filled with there's so many different people and everyone has going to have their own opinion. I'm sure if you wrote on one of those mommy blogs or forums that you're a vegan, someone is going to respond with something that will make you anxious or make you feel bad. I think you just need to find your people and know that you're doing the right thing for you, and it doesn't really matter what anyone else. As long as you're healthy and your caregiver things are healthy, whether that's an OB or a midwife or whoever's following your pregnancy. That there's no red flags or anything of something you're missing, I don't think there's anything to worry about.
Maya Bach:
Yeah.
Heather Larson:
It's easy for me to say, four pregnancies. I'm like, "Just don't worry about it. You'll be fine because I'm sure..."
Maya Bach:
I forget that I'm pregnant sometimes.
Heather Larson:
Yeah. Three pregnancies ago, that would have been me. It's easy for me to sit here and say, "Don't be anxious in pregnancy. There's nothing to worry." Of course, we're all going to worry and have those things that we're worried about, but the people who are going to be your support network and find a professional who has a professional answer. Get a second opinion if you're unsure, those kinds of things.
Maya Bach:
A support alignment, not doing Google deep dives on everything.
Heather Larson:
Yeah. Just advocate for yourself. Your opinion matters, you don't just sit there and listen to a doctor who doesn't have, necessarily, fully believe in science, doctors, everything. I'm not bashing doctors, I've been with an OB every pregnancy. But they don't necessarily have that much nutrition training. Sometimes we need to find those answers for ourselves.
Maya Bach:
Absolutely. I always like to tell people, or share, that a doctor is helping you have a healthy baby, have a healthy pregnancy, not necessarily addressing your dietary concerns throughout.
Heather Larson:
For sure. Not be able to answer your questions in like an educated way.
Maya Bach:
Exactly. Exactly. I appreciate you sharing that, and your story. I'm super curious if you're in touch with any of your former coworkers at the dairy company, and how they feel about your new path.
Heather Larson:
Just one, and she follows my Instagram, and we still talk occasionally. I don't know that anyone else would really know. Maybe she's told them, I don't know. Oh, what actually, sorry. I shouldn't say that. A couple of my old colleagues do follow me, and someone else who was a director where I worked, has left and gone to a non-dairy company and follows me and reached out to get my opinion on some of the products. That was really cool, actually, to see that shift. Someone who had been working in dairy for like 20 plus years, is now working for a non-dairy company. I don't talk to them on a regular basis, but I know a few of them follow me and like my photos. I think one of them has a daughter who's dairy free or something like that.
Maya Bach:
Well I really appreciate you sharing your story with us, and I know it'll inspire other listeners who might be feeling anxious or maybe who have experienced some pregnancy loss, feel supported and like they're not alone. For women who want to learn more and connect with you, where can they best find you?
Heather Larson:
I'm on Instagram @veganishmama. I took a little bit of a hiatus, but I'm back. It was unplanned, but I just took off busy with mom life and chasing my kids. Although I did announce my pregnancy and then leave for a few weeks, so I worried some people. But yeah, I'm back now. And I mostly share what my kids eat in a day, what would I feed them for their meals for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and what we eat, which is oftentimes the same and sometimes different. I will probably share baby-led feeding or baby-led weaning, or whatever we do when we get there. I'm also at veganishmama.com.
Maya Bach:
Perfect. I'll link to you those two sites in the show notes for people to go directly to.
Heather Larson:
Thank you.
Maya Bach:
Well, thank you again for your time. I really appreciate it, and we'll talk to you later.
Heather Larson:
Thanks for having me.
Maya Bach:
Thanks so much for listening to today's episode. If you're ready to go from feeling concerned to confident, as a vegan mom-to-be, send me a DM. I'm on Instagram at vegan.prenatal.nutrition. I'd love to hear from you, and we can chat more and see if the vegan pregnancy collective is for you. Remember, you're not in this alone. If you enjoy today's episode, share it with a friend and subscribe to the Vegan Pregnancy Podcast to get notified when new episodes are released.
